Hee this gif needs a misandry tag.
(My apologies for deleting the entire post, giving my dashboard a break.)
I believe females should get equal rights. All humans should. But the way the majority of the knee-jerk feminist blogs on here go on about it, we’re actually living in about 1767. But that’s not the real problem. The REAL issue I have with it is that it is persuading impressionable young women that men are to be feared.
Society teaches women not to get raped rather than teaching people not to rape. When statistics show the inherent issues in rape culture, frequency of rape, etc, there is some fear to be felt from that. Here’s one source in particular. and I’ll copy and paste a few relevant numbers from that:
A survey of 11-to-14 year-olds found:(ref 5)
· 51% of the boys and 41% of the girls said forced sex was acceptable if the boy, “spent a lot of money” on the girl;
· 31% of the boys and 32% of the girls said it was acceptable for a man to rape a woman with past sexual experience;
· 87% of boys and 79% of girls said sexual assault was acceptable if the man and the woman were married;
· 65% of the boys and 47% of the girls said it was acceptable for a boy to rape a girl if they had been dating for more than six months.
- In a survey of male college students:
· 35% anonymously admitted that, under certain circumstances, they would commit rape if they believed they could get away with it (ref 6,7).
· One in 12 admitted to committing acts that met the legal definitions of rape, and 84% of men who committed rape did not label it as rape.(ref 6,7)
- In another survey of college males: (ref 8)
· 43% of college-aged men admitted to using coercive behavior to have sex, including ignoring a woman’s protest, using physical aggression, and forcing intercourse.
· 15% acknowledged they had committed acquaintance rape; 11% acknowledged using physical restraints to force a woman to have sex.
Information also shows that most rapes are committed by persons that the victim knows. There is a REASON there is wariness involved in this discussion.
And the rest of this is going under a cut, because damn it’s lengthy.
One argument that a see a lot during pro-life/choice discussions given by the pro-choice is that ‘agreeing to sex doesn’t mean you agree to parenthood’ (often worded differently).
I have sex, I don’t want to be a parent, so I go out of my way to make sure that doesn’t happen but if I did get pregnant I would probably have an abortion. It is selfish, I want to enjoy that aspect of my life, that isn’t what this is about.
This argument works perfectly well for women arguing for the right to have legal abortions.
So why can’t men have sex without consenting to being a parent?
A man can have almost no control about the way his life goes in that respect. Yes theres birthcontrol but condoms break and crazy women lie about being on the pill. If a man gets a woman pregnant he is stigmatised if he says that he doesn’t want a baby (‘forcing her to get an abortion’), if she has the child he is forced by the government to be a parent financially whether he likes it or not.
Men aren’t even allowed an opinion on whether or not they want a child they just have to be a parent because they had sex and they knew the possible consequences.
You CAN’T use this as a pro-choice argument and then turn around and say it doesn’t apply to men. Either it is a valid argument and men shouldn’t be forced to pay child maintenance and stigmatised for not wanting involvement with their child or it is a terrible argument because if you know the consequences of sex and you do it anyway then you are consenting to the possibility of having a baby and an abortion is a get out clause. (I think it is the latter)
Women are told that they can do whatever they want when it comes to having a child, do it whenever you want or not at all, do what is right for you, so why are men who never agreed to having a baby forced to take responsibility when women are not because for the pro-choice argument, consenting to sex doesn’t mean you consent to having a baby.
I’m not saying that all pro-choice arguments are stupid, I am pro-choice. I’m just saying this one is. I hate ill-thought-out arguments by over the top social justice bloggers.
But for the record I have never thought a man should be forced to pay child maintenance if they have always said they never wanted a child. The pill is free condoms are free abortions are free. It is your choice to have a child 100%, if you want that child that much then don’t expect anyone else to pay to raise it, it is your decision.
Sorry if this is difficult to understand, its late, and I want to hear any opinions on this that anyone has as long as they don’t get nasty, because this is actually a discussion topic and not a slandering match.
As others have said — fathers can sign their parental rights away in many places. The general attitude is that if there is a child born, then it needs the support of both parents, if this is possible and there are two parents (legally). That’s generally why there are rulings for child support — for the primary caregiver as well as the other parent regardless of gender.
But the difference here is that we’re not just talking about consent to sex and consent to parenthood.
Consent to sex is not consent to be pregnant. It’s made a woman’s issue because if this were not true, the alternative is that a woman loses the right to consent to what happens to her body. A law saying otherwise would mean that a woman does not have the right to say “no” to having her body used as an incubator. That’s nine months of physical and hormonal changes, imbalances, potential complications, and finally a birthing process which is 12-13 times more likely to kill her than a safe, legal abortion would.
C’mon learn context, humor, and what real misogyny is. Just because you dont find something offensive doesnt mean its time for you to raise the war flag and complain about inequality. That is just as bad as trying to ban books, movies, music, etc just because it doesnt fit to ur small opinion of what u find acceptable. just like some kind of religious or political zealot.
plus on top of it Ur just victimization yourself and Reenforcing these “stereotypes” against you. If someone is actually trying to belittle you because of ur gender. brush it off ur shoulder, because u getting all huffy about it is exactly what they want, think dont act…
OH! And ladies really look at yourself and ur behavior.
Bet you’ll take that out of context too.
Telling people who are victimized by privileged persons — whether through action, media, off-color jokes, imagery — to simply “brush it off” is a weak attempt to disregard their feelings of victimization and marginalization.
Good job telling victims of misogyny that it’s up to them to react in an acceptable manner rather than telling misogynists that their behavior is what needs to change.