I just had a conversation recently where someone asked if I thought someone who was gay or lesbian could be a Christian.
Well - yeah. I mean, that’s like asking if a thief or a compulsive liar or a gossip or a control freak or or anyone else could be a Christian. Just because I believe homosexuality is a sin doesn’t mean I think that, somehow, homosexual individuals are unable to be saved. Or even that a Christian will never struggle with issues of sexuality. That’s bogus - this idea that somehow, Christians are beyond sin and temptation. Anyone who thinks that needs to try rereading their Bible. But should someone who claims Christ and identifies as homosexual acknowledge that this is a problem and something they should struggle with? Yeah. Sin is sin, no matter how the culture accepts it, or how deeply rooted it is in one’s heart. I’d say the same thing to the porn addict, the glutton, the gossip, or the mean-spirited. If you call yourself a Christian, you must Biblically identify and deal with the sin in your life.
It is so disrespectful to say that a person’s identity is inherently a sin. To say that because they are who they are, it is the same as robbery or murder or lying.
Like, that is a f—- up belief system, where people are demanded to feel guilty for who they are and things they can not change. Just, wow. How dare we be the way we are? We should feel so guilty for existing. Yuck.
:D I’ve been waiting for this to get on someone’s bad side. *shrugs* In a sense, I totally see where you’re coming from — that this is someone’s identity. I mean, from my worldview, we’re all messed up without Christ. I won’t apologize for that — it’s what keeps me going. Knowing that, in spite of the horrible, horrible ways in which I ruin my life, God can change that. God’s bigger than that. God’s bigger than any sin — and I figure if he can forgive me, he can forgive anyone.
On the other hand, other than just being naturally inclined to sin, because we’re a fallen and messed up world, I don’t think that any one thing is so much a part of someone’s identity that it can never be changed. I don’t know how many people are familiar with Dr. Jeffrey Schwartz and his studies in neuralplasticity, but there’s a heap-ton of evidence suggesting that the brain remains malleable even into adulthood.
This would, obviously, suggest that our brains continue to change throughout our lifetime, influenced by the things that happen to us. A simple example would be someone who grows up speaking one language and then moves to a land where he or she has to learn another. After years of speaking the foreign language, they might have problems reverting to their native tongue — even to the point that their “thought language” is in their secondary language.
A more complicated and interesting example is how Schwartz is trying to help people suffering from OCD, not by the often-cruel behavioral treatment (like when someone obsessed with keeping away germs is forced to grasp a doorknob spread with filth), but by teaching them how to actually rewire their brains, to think in new patterns.
All that is to say that there is no proof for people being, as our dear Lady Gaga put it, “born this way”. Nature vs. Nurture is a messy beast, but more and more research is suggesting that there is no one way to be born — one can have inclinations one way or another, but the actual thought processes and behaviors can shape the brain and the neural identity as much or more than genes.
But that was a much longer and more technical answer than I’m sure anyone was looking for. :D Short answer: Sorry that you found me disrespectful. But if I truly believe that something is wrong or dangerous, and that there could be negative consequences associated with it, it would be hypocritical of me to not say something — in love, unlike some freaks I could mention — but something, all the same.
Anyway, hope that explains my POV a bit more.
No, that’s still SUPER disrespectful. Like, now you’re talking about “curing” us, about changing who we are, about MAKING us straight.
You think that our existence is wrong or dangerous? That the way we feel and who we are is wrong and dangerous? That the love we feel, the relationships we have, the families we form, are wrong and dangerous?
And you sit there and talk about how you think we can change and re-wire our brains and how it’s just so sinful to be who we are?
That’s bigotry. It’s intolerance. It’s gross and mad disrespectful. It’s attitudes like that which foster the violence that LGBTQIAP+ people face in our culture- that gets people like me beaten and homeless and killed.
It is my belief that the OP is wrong and that said ideas are dangerous, and there should be negative consequences associated with that.
Black lesbian couple found murdered in Galveston, TX
March 10, 2014
The bodies of two Houston women, a lesbian couple, were discovered near a dumpster in Galveston County, Texas. Crystal Jackson and her girlfriend Britney Cosby, both 24, had been together for two years and lived together. Their bodies were found Friday morning next to a convenience store dumpster, reports Houston’s ABC 13.
Relatives say the two women went to Galveston for Mardi Gras. Detectives believe they were killed elsewhere and their bodies moved. Reports also indicate that they were murdered in different ways. It’s currently unclear whether this was a hate crime or there was some other motive for the murder.
“That was her girlfriend, that was her soulmate,” James Randle, neighbor to Britney Cosby, told ABC.
Investigators are looking for a silver 2006 Kia Sorrento with paper tags–a car the couple recently purchased together. It is missing and whoever took it may be the same person who took their lives, reporters say.
Anyone with information regarding the victims’ deaths or the stolen vehicle is asked to call the Galveston County Sheriff’s Office tip line at 866-248-8477.
Rest in power.
Stereotyping in any instance is bad - be it race, faith, gender, occupation(particularly in business), orientation or whatever. Each one of us is different and are entitled to our own beliefs and opinion.
OMG. You are such a bigot.
NO, recognizing that you are a bigot is not the same as the bigotry that LGBTQIAP+ face from people like you.
If you don’t support our identities or the right for us to be treated equally under the law, then we are not friends, fuck you, stay way way away from me.
Yes, I still love you.
No, you don’t.
Yes, we’re still friends.
The Hell we are.
No, I am not judging you.
Yes, you are.
No, I am not condemning you to Hell.
Then you can also not talk about whether or not you support my rights. If your answer isn’t “you’re my friend and love whoever makes you happiest,” then I don’t want to hear a word out of your hateful mouth.
No, I will not let anyone bully you.
You’re a bully.
You have a right to speak what you believe and I have a right to remove toxic people like you from my life.
This is indeed something Louise would do.
RED, THE BLOOD OF ANGRY MEN
TEA, A DRINK WITH JAM AND BREAD
heLP I DON’T KNOW WHICH TUNE TO SING IT IN
SO LONG, FAREWELL, AUF WIEDERSEHEN GOOD BYE.
LOOK DOWN, LOOK DOWN, YOU’RE HERE UNTIL YOU DIE.
that is impossible white people invented fingers
WHITE PEOPLE INVENTED FINGERS
And yay these effigies stood as a warning to muppet interlopers, that they might never forget how to get to Sesame Street.
That’s not actually what’s happening, but ok?
We’re just pointing out your hypocrisy?
The reason we want to fund social services isn’t actually tied to Jesus?
No, Jesus is just a tool you use to try to implant your massive, corrupt, bureaucratic,welfare state.
I was, in fact, pointing out YOUR hypocrisy.
There is no hypocrisy among Christians because Jesus NEVER taught to set up a secular government that taxes heavily and may, or may not, do good things with the money.
Jesus taught PERSONAL responsibility. I know, I know, you folks on the left side of the fence are not really familiar with that.
It’s a hard concept for neo-marxist facists.
Jesus is not a tool we use. We do not do what we do because Jesus. We do not think Jesus should have ANY role in the government, actually, because we believe separation of Church and State is A Thing.
Where are you even getting your ideas about religion and the left? Is this what Fox is spouting these days?
Also, there is no such thing as a “Marxist fascist”. http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Fascism
Because Jesus never said, re: taxes and government, to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s — which suggests a clear delineation between the two.
Oh wait, that was totally a thing he said, OP.
And yeah, I missed that part of the Bible where he told the lame and the impoverished to get a job because “BOOTSTRAPS.”
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